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The Schools Our Children Deserve: Moving Beyond Traditional Classrooms and "Tougher Standards"
The Schools Our Children Deserve: Moving Beyond Traditional Classrooms and Tougher Standards

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Author: Alfie Kohn
Publisher: Mariner Books
Category: Book

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Avg. Customer Rating: 4.0 out of 5 stars 29 reviews
Sales Rank: 70262

Media: Paperback
Edition: 1
Number Of Items: 1
Pages: 352
Shipping Weight (lbs): 1.3
Dimensions (in): 9 x 6.1 x 0.9

ISBN: 0618083456
Dewey Decimal Number: 379
EAN: 9780618083459
ASIN: 0618083456

Publication Date: September 5, 2000
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Amazon.com Review
Teacher-turned-writer Alfie Kohn takes on traditional-education giants like E.D. Hirsch, along with practically every state government "raising the bar" and toughening standards, in this attack on the back-to-basics movement. An established critic of America's fixation on grades and test scores, Kohn has written a detailed, methodical treatise that accuses politicians and educators of replacing John Dewey, the father of public education, with test-tutoring king Stanley Kaplan. The current standards movement that demands students learn a list of dates and facts prepares kids for Jeopardy, Kohn argues, not real life. He joins David C. Berliner and Bruce J. Biddle (The Manufactured Crisis) in questioning whether today's schools are truly floundering, warning that romantic memories of the old school, with its tests, worksheets, and drills, are purely that--memories romanticized by time and perception.

Kohn backs up his argument with research and observations from like-minded reformers such as Deborah Meier, but his position is nothing new. Rather, it is a volley back at traditionalists, a direct counter to Hirsch's 1996 book The Schools We Need, which Kohn critically dissects at length, even accusing Hirsch of incorrectly generalizing footnoted research. Kohn also takes issue with the backlash against the whole-language approach to reading instruction (though this argument wears thin, given that many schools have already moved beyond the debate to use a combination of whole language and phonics). The overall message of The Schools Our Children Deserve is a valid cautionary tale about the future of American education that deserves to be heard out by teachers, policymakers, and parents. --Jodi Mailander Farrell

Product Description
In this "lively, provocative and well-researched book" (Theodore Sizer), Ale Kohn builds a powerful argument against the "back to basics" philosophy of teaching and simplistic demands to "raise the bar." Drawing on stories from real classrooms and extensive research, Kohn shows parents, educators, and others interested in the debate how schools can help students explore ideas rather than filling them with forgettable facts and preparing them for standardized tests. Here at last is a book that challenges the two dominant forces in American education: an aggressive nostalgia for traditional teaching ("If it was bad enough for me, it's bad enough for my kids") and a heavy-handed push for Tougher Standards.


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1 out of 5 stars A few interesting ideas, but vast majority not practical   October 6, 2005
 12 out of 28 found this review helpful

Reading this book, I got the distinct impression that in his schools, everyone would spend time reinventing the wheel, dropping apples to test the force of gravity, and so forth. For him it is simply terrible for a teacher to just tell you something (that you didn't know). If you take his premise to be fact, you shouldn't be reading his books, or any other books either, because they are a form of direct instruction, and direct instruction is bad.

Kohn mentions (in the reference notes) one teacher complaining that students weren't interested in the subject matter (history, current events) because they said they "wouldn't need the information in their future jobs" and trots out the tired argument of schools being nothing more than preparation for the workplace.

What's wrong with that argument? Simple. It is the TEACHER who has total control over making a subject interesting or not. ANY subject can be interesting if the right teacher is teaching it. We have too many non-math and non-science teachers teaching those subjects, and it shows! As for history, look at how many Civil War reenactors there are, not to mention the success of Renaissance Faires and organizations such as the SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism). If a teacher were to use those examples for the basis of a lesson, you would have interested students.

Also, one major drawback to his book is that he doesn't seem to have any notion of what children should be learning as far as any kind of body of knowledge. What should our children be learning?

Bottom line, I found that his book seemed to be a much better argument for homeschooling, and unschooling in particular, rather than sending your children to any public or private school. I did agree with him about programs like Book It! and Accelerated Reader being terrible, but for me the reason is that these programs promote junk books and TV/movie tie-in books instead of classic, challenging literature.



5 out of 5 stars The Other Side of No Child Left Behind (or untested)   August 7, 2005
 11 out of 12 found this review helpful

Not only am I a teacher, but I am a product of the kind of public school for which Alfie Kohn advocates. We definitely and desperately need this voice in the debate over education. I fully approve of his regime. I was not a terrifically motivated kid, academically speaking, before entering Kindergarten, but during my elementary education grew to become a highly self-motivated and intense learner. I not only had projects and assignments at school (which included research papers and even some traditional math work), but was constantly engaged in projects at home (teaching myself French, extremely engrossed in geography, reading articles of interest from the Encyclopaedia Brittanica, and designing board games with highly complex probabilities.) Many of my classmates had similar experiences. My school was a public school in an unremarkable, middle-class suburb. Kohn's argument results in the kind of education I got up to 6th grade. We took the standardized tests, and did as well or better than neighboring schools on average. What's all the fear about?

Read this book. If you are a parent or educator, you REALLY need to read this book.



4 out of 5 stars Standardized Testing Revealed   January 14, 2002
 22 out of 25 found this review helpful

When asked what a set of national standards should look like, former U.S. commissioner of education, Harold Howe II, stated, "They should be as vague as possible". Alfie Kohn makes a powerful stance against the use of specific standards and standardized testing in his book, The Schools Our Children Deserve.

Education heads the news around the nation today. Everywhere you hear the cry for tougher standards for teachers and students, and accountability for schools and districts. Headlines scream that American children are falling behind their counterparts in other countries. The solution: an educational system that is `back to basics' and has `tougher standards'. Is this the answer? Alfie Kohn states a resounding `No'.

Mr. Kohn's book takes you on a journey to explore how the American educational system is really doing. He then presents standardized tests for what they are: norm-referenced tests in which 50% of all children taking the test will fail. Kohn dissects how the tests are created and changed from year to year, indicating that if too many students get an answer correct, it is thrown out of the test. He delves into how standardized test scores are published in newspapers, and used by the government and school districts to hold schools and teachers hostage. He shows how the use of such scores are creating an educational community that teaches to the test, is devoid of meaningful learning, and does not address the needs of the individual child.

The Schools Our Children Deserve is written for parents and educators alike. It aims to educate its readers, so that they can become informed participants in the design of the schools our children deserve.

W.Joy Lopez
Pepperdine University Doctoral Student


5 out of 5 stars Nancy Haas, Educational Tech. Doctorial Student , Pepperdine   January 12, 2002
 19 out of 24 found this review helpful

In light of President Bush's recent signing of a national educational plan that promotes standards and high-stakes testing, The Schools Our Children Deserve offers readers insights into social, economic, and moral consequences of these policies. An easy read with plenty of data and thought provoking questions, Kohn challenges these trends to objectify students and teachers through a careful analysis of the process and consequences of these policies.

One of the myths perpetuated by politicians and businesspeople, is that raising school standards and high-stakes testing will improve learning. Kohn examines the historical context of the myth within the system. He offers readers data and research that contradict the myth. He has organized the book to examine the destructive nature of implementing standards based education and high testing through a variety of lens: social, emotional, and economic.

With an emphasis on grades and competitive test scores that rank students, teachers, and schools, Kohn argues that education has shifted away from student-centered learning. Schools forced to implement standardize curriculum to support high stakes testing have objectified students and teachers. The consequences of these policies results in a curriculum that lacks authentic context and educational goals that are based on grades and test results.

The impact on teachers forced to implement rigid curriculum that changes the role of classroom teachers to classroom technicians whose only responsibility is to transmit facts and data through transmission teaching. The impact on children is a misguided educational experience that may have long term emotional and psychological reprucussions. With an emphasis on scores, rigid and mediocre curriculum is designed to improve tests scores but fail to offer students an authentic and engaging learning experience. The reader is reminded that the cost of focusing on "how well" students are doing verses "what" they're doing results in a disintegration of student's interest and motivation. With an emphasis on student grades and school scores, the purpose of education is no longer about providing an authentic learning experience for child, it is about test scores and ranking.

Because of the impact that high stake testing has on schools and children, Kohn takes time to examine the variations in testing formats, inequalities, and failures. Since high-stakes tests are norm-reference, he provides readers with an understanding of how these test are used and the consequences awaiting 50% of the testing population that are predestined to fail.

Kohn offers compelling arguments to rethink these practices and the purpose of education. If we want to focus on test scores that rank students, standardized curriculums and high-stakes testing will fill the bill. However, if our goal is to create meaningful, authentic learning experiences for our children, these policies must be challenged and abandoned.

This book not only informs the reader, but it places a moral responsibility on each of us to become more informed and involved with the purpose of learning in our schools. Kohn's agenda is simple. He is not a politician looking for votes. He is an advocate for children. Kohn is promoting authentic learning opportunities that respect the natural curiosity and motivation of children.

After reading this book, Kohn places a moral responsibility on all of us to become informed, involved, and pro-active in the development of schools that our children deserve.


1 out of 5 stars Parents, Beware!   January 7, 2002
 32 out of 61 found this review helpful

The preponderance of positive reviews here speaks to the persuasiveness and appeal of Kohn's arguments. I must say, however, that I was not similarly persuaded. The book reads as though Kohn had made up his mind on the issues before setting out to research them, giving it a shrill, combative, one-sided, pseudoscientific tone. Note the vastly different standards of rigor he applies to evaluating research supporting his own and competing viewpoints. He also sets up dry, impoverished, hypertraditional straw men that are very easy to tear down instead of comparing the best of traditional and progressive models. Guess who wins?

Kohn makes the mistake of equating preference for traditional pedagogical methods with social conservatism, an equation that he uses in the service of an ad hominem argument. It's time for less-than-conservative parents to start speaking out about their confidence in traditional teaching methods. Kohn is just plain wrong about the inextricability of sociopolitical and educational views, though extremists on the traditional side also tend to equate their educational traditionalism with traditional social values. The two have historically been intertwined, but are not intrinsically so.

A perplexing flaw lies in Kohn's seemingly viewing direct instruction and student understanding as mutually exclusive. This is an absurd assumption (Isn't his book an attempt at direct instruction?) when the direct instruction is in capable hands and when the learner is capable of abstraction. In rejecting direct instruction, Kohn undercredits children's capacity for abstraction and the mental models born of real-world experience into which they are already equipped to fit new information. He would have fifth graders using manipulatives in math class every bit as much as kindergartners instead of arming the fifth graders with formulae. How sad for the children. If progressive schools really want to honor each child's "individual learning style," then they should offer direct instruction to the kids who learn well that way.

Parents, beware: Despite the wonderfully warm and truly child-centered environments at many progressive schools, your children will in all likelihood NOT receive excellent math, reading, grammar and spelling instruction there. (See mathematicallycorrect.com for a discussion of the "math wars.") The philosophy at such schools is that learning facts should be supplanted by learning "how to learn." This view has been thoroughly discredited by cognitive scientists. At the very best progressive schools children may gain excellent writing skills, sensitivity to other people's perspectives and maybe even the ability to read for deep understanding (IF they can learn to read in the first place and are given sufficiently challenging material with sufficiently high expectations). They may also be well served emotionally at such schools (just as they may be at traditional schools despite what Kohn would have us believe). But for the sake of their children, every parent deserves to understand the shortcomings of these institutions, which are so appealing on the surface (like Kohn's book).

Our country's schools of education and the rest of the educational bureaucracy have done a great disservice to teachers and to our children. Kohn perpetuates the disservice. His approach is not to further parents' educational goals for their children, but to try to get them to change those goals or to believe that those goals can be achieved through unconventional, discredited means. I also daresay he is a professional iconoclast who profits from stirring up controversy.

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