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| Kill Or Get Killed | 
 enlarge | Author: Rex Applegate
Publisher: Paladin Press
Category: Book
List Price: $39.95
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Avg. Customer Rating:  30 reviews
Sales Rank: 91422
Media: Paperback
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Pages: 120
Shipping Weight (lbs): 1.2
Dimensions (in): 8.3 x 5.5 x 1.4
ISBN: 1581605587
EAN: 9781581605587
ASIN: 1581605587
Publication Date: October 1976
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 Good only if you are a police officer August 3, 2007
2 out of 6 found this review helpful
Classic, must read book basically because it is a milestone in hand to hand combat manuals.
BUT: of the 400+ pages, only the first 50 or so actually speak about unarmed combat, the rest is all about guns,shooting tecs, knife fighting, riot controlling (the book was written when that was a major conflict scenario), immobilizing a prisoner, handcuffing a prisoner etc etc etc....
That is, if you are not a law enformcement agent, completely useless, as in a street fight you don't want to handcuff your opponent, you want to beak him the nose and leave !
To learn the few basic tecs to strike the opponent, the book is quite accurate and detailed, even more than W.E.Fairbarns "Get tough" , plus the photos are clearer (although black and white).
I would say, a must for your combat library, but for training/skill developing, look elsewhere and use other books (I strongly recommend the 2 "Solo training" series)
Not the end all be all, but close! July 10, 2007
1 out of 1 found this review helpful
This book has got to be the most complete work on combat ever written. In it, Applegate lays out the things he learned from Fairbairn and Sykes with his own tweaks added. An excellent book, although it can be found in .pdf form free at gutterfighting.org
It is dated, and in some areas could be supplemented or updated (ex. by supplementing point shooting with aimed fire (although point shooting would be used more often in real life) as well as replacing or supplementing the parry and block defenses with something along the lines of Darren Laur's "Pat, Wrap, Attack" (Although remember, there is no sure unarmed defense against a knifer, but you can improve your odds)
It could also do with information on Mindset, Awareness and Avoidance, Prevention, etc.
 Not outdated! Desperately needed today February 28, 2007
14 out of 15 found this review helpful
The review posted here by Alan D. Cranford touched on all the high points that I would mention and with an expertise that is quite beyond mine. I want to zero in on a fine point about the philosophy espoused in this book versus the "martial arts" mentality so prevalent today, particularly as it bears on unarmed defense against a man wielding a knife.
Another reviewer summed up what I call the "martial arts mentality" when he recommends studying Krav Maga to learn unarmed techniques for disarming a knife-wielding attacker. Where it says "Krav Maga," you may substitute the name of any fighting system, traditional or made-up, and there you have a statement that would fit into a discouragingly large number of martial arts books and schools.
I'll be blunt. For at least 99% of us, the phrase "knife disarm" is just crazy talk, and if you try such a thing in real life, you will probably die.
Assuming you are lucky enough to notice that a person is threatening you with a knife before he has stuck the knife in you, and assuming you are not at the moment pointing a weapon at him, your number one priority should be getting away from that knife so that he can't cut or stab you with it. Because if he starts doing that, you will probably die.
And at the risk of belaboring the obvious, if you go reaching for a guy's knife arm, he will almost certainly cut and stab you plenty, even if he's a complete punk out of his mind on booze or drugs. If you go near the knife, the knife will probably go in you. I hope that's clear enough.
What Applegate advises is decidedly not to grapple with the knife guy. Instead, he says to pick up a chair and use it lion-tamer style. That's excellent advice. Pick up anything-- a shovel, a bar stool, even a sturdy broom-- anything that'll brush knife boy back a little while you think about how to get some distance. You can yell for help, throw things, dodge behind furniture or cars, all to one end: keeping that knife out of you.
Applegate advises this kind of thing because he was advising men who might one day face a knife-wielding attacker, and he did not want them to get killed. Applegate's advice comes from the real world, not from a gym or a dojo or a competitive sport. Go to the bookstore, open a book on Krav Maga or any other book containing "knife disarms," look at the pictures, and think about that.
Are you a Navy SEAL or similar? Fine, if so, then feel free to break knife boy into small pieces with your bare hands. You know better than I do. But if the answer is "no, I am not a Navy SEAL," then the chances are good that you ought to take all those martial arts books with pictures of knife disarms in them and burn them. Better yet, give them to people you wouldn't mind seeing dead.
I can envision a scenario where I'm attacked with a knife and have no better choice than to twist the guy's arm. If that happens, then things have really gone to hell, and I am in deep, deep trouble. But I've been taught how to twist arms, and so I'll twist if I absolutely have to. What I will not do, ever, is call that a "knife disarm" or deliberately train myself to grapple with a knife wielder. If I'm ever in a gym or dojo, and another student squares off with me with a rubber knife, I'm picking up the nearest chair or stool and going for his tender parts. Because what you practice is what you'll do, and your mentality will one day be your reality.
That's what Applegate's work means to me, and I find that it's a refreshing antidote to the martial arts mindset for the 99% of us who are not full-time professional fighters.
Only book needed for all combat techniques January 10, 2006
9 out of 10 found this review helpful
The pictures may seem outdated and old but this book is by far the best source of information you will ever need to escape, attack, and win any dangerous encounter or fight. I recomend reading along with this a book on balance and break falls in ju jitsu to aid your defensive tactics as this book speaks alot about balance and falls but does not explain them. Escaping guns, knives, or bigger and stronger people this book as it all as well as attacking with guns, knives, or hand to hand combat with bigger and stronger oppenents. I recomend this book to anyone who is interested in these techniques, these are very easy to read, understand, and apply. "Wise people talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something" Plato. Rex Applegate is a wise man skip those other combat books with authors trying to make a living and read the one that has value. Amazon has the cheapest book around 37$ but this site http://usbjj.com./10401.html has it for just 10$ on CD ROm its the entire book but you just have to read it from the computer. Very worth it and save yourself the extra 30$ and buy the CD Rom version.
Not was it is used to be, things have changed September 30, 2005
2 out of 3 found this review helpful
Techniques and information in this book are still very usefull, but not what it is used to be. This was published in a time and place where people had to get used to another style of unarmed combat then boxing. Things have changed now. Especially on disarming. For that i recommend Krav Maga.
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